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duckwild

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ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:48 AM ( #1 )
I'm going to be hunting black bears this fall for the first time. Is it ethical to shoot a sow without cubs or no?
How do you determine a sow from a bruin? I know how to field judge bears by where the ears sit on the head.
But is there anything that I SHOULD know.
 
Thanks guys.
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:31 AM ( #2 )
Most place don't like you shooting sows. It take a good eye to tell the difference. If it a real big bear it is a good chance it is a boar. Even though I've been on several bear hunts I would have a hard time telling the difference on a med size bear. If this is the bear that you talked about earlier, has it only been seen by itself? Then it would be a good chance it is a boar. If you have a good shot and you would be happy with this bear, then take him. Watch for cubs!

Good luck and have a good time.
car
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:05 PM ( #3 )
duck:
 
Be sure to watch for cubs first like car said.  After that it's anyone's guess on medium-sized bear, again like car said (car says everything ).  Although, if you have the time, you can wait until the bear has a full stomach, climb down from your stand, roll it over and look!  LOL!  Of course, then you'll have to roll the bear over again, climb back up to your stand, get yourself ready for the shot etc., etc., etc., all without the bear noticing or catching on to your intentions!  That procedure tends to be somewhat difficult and problematic, and is something I would not advise doing.   
 
On the flip side, you'll have no problem identifying a big boar.  They just have a way about them.  The way they walk and act just screams, "Big Boar!"
 
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with shooting a big, old sow that is either dry or without cubs.  I once had an encounter with a HUGE blond-phase sow in Alberta a few years back that I wish to this very day that I could have shot, but she was the doting mother of three fuzzball-sized, multi-colored cubs.  She was beautiful, but brother was she surly pig!  She would growl and pop her teeth and smash small saplings in her destructive path just to let everything and everyone around her know that she didn't like anyone or anything getting too close to her babies.  At one point, she ran straight at my stand tree, stood up on her hinds legs and slapped the tree!  I thought I was going to have to shoot her after all, but she finally backed down and walked herself and her three little ones off into the Alberta wilderness never to be seen again.  Talk about the "pucker factor".  Whewwwwww!
 
Good luck!
 
Take care and Good Hunting!
 
Best Afield,
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:16 PM ( #4 )
Steve nice story. I have a question. Did you roll this bear over and check as you suggested. It could have been a gay/boar filling in while the sow was out on break. You may have missed the chance of a life time. Oh well maybe next time.
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:39 PM ( #5 )
Cool story Steve.  LOLOLOLOL I think mine would still have been puckered to this day.  From my experiences, look for the big crease, wide ears on the head and the tell tale swagger. Big boars just have that walk and stalk to them like the others have said. Watch if other bears come in also ands see how yours reacts. You'll have plenty of time to asses it and watch for the cubs.  Pa. allows the shooting of both cubs and sows and sows with cubs. I personally do not believe in either. You just have taken away the future if she has cubs.
 
 
Gay Boar car?  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:31 PM ( #6 )
Ok guys thanks.
I don't really want to shoot a sow, even if she doesn't have cubs. But my buds parents really just want it gone
before it starts to get comfortable around thier house. That could become dangerous. I'll have to assess the situation
when I get there. I'm really hoping that it is just a big bruin and not a sow.
So what your really telling me is there's no real way to sex an animal until it's dead and I can look up the skirt. Well I'll do my best and hopefully have some cool pics of it. Gonna try and set up my trail cam about a week or so before and see
what I'm dealing with.
Wish me luck.
Good luck on your trip Gary and drive safe.
 
 
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:25 PM ( #7 )
Sorry, that's what happens when you had too much time on your hands while at work lol.


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Cool story Steve.  LOLOLOLOL I think mine would still have been puckered to this day.  From my experiences, look for the big crease, wide ears on the head and the tell tale swagger. Big boars just have that walk and stalk to them like the others have said. Watch if other bears come in also ands see how yours reacts. You'll have plenty of time to asses it and watch for the cubs.  Pa. allows the shooting of both cubs and sows and sows with cubs. I personally do not believe in either. You just have taken away the future if she has cubs.


Gay Boar car?  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:18 PM ( #8 )
here we're not given the choice - we can't shoot cubs under 1 year old or sows with cubs under 1 year old

a few years ago, I thought I might have to anyway - I saw a real nice looking cinnamon bear - but real soon, saw she had 3 little black cubs with her

the cubs came my way - and got within 25 yards of me - I was on the ground, and they just kept coming.  when they got my wind, they froze, and when momma got close to them I was all set with my rifle to take her if she came at me - fortunately, she woofed out loud and sent them into the woods, and she chased them away from me

that was a bit nerve-wracking!
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RE: ethical ? - Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:26 AM ( #9 )
  Bear hunting rule #10-  Carry clean undies!!
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RE: ethical ? - Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:29 PM ( #10 )
 Bear hunting rule #1- carry very BIG gun.
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:08 PM ( #11 )
OK guys here's another one for ya's.
 
This bear at my buddies house is a sow. She has two cubs that are well over 100#s. They are about half the size
of the mother. Last weekend the bears got into the garbage and some other stuff and made one hell of a mess.
 
So my question to you all is, How old do you think the cubs are? If I took the sow would the cubs be able to make it
through the winter? She is at least 275# maybe 300#. It doesn't look like they are bad off as far as food goes. It's just starting to freak his parents out when there are three bears on thier deck looking into the house. The game officals just told them that they will leave and hibernate in a month or so.
 
So would it be ethical to shoot the sow and leave the cubs to fend for themselves? I'm assuming that this will be the last year the cubs stay with thier mother. Or should I just wait till next year?
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RE: ethical ? - Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:29 PM ( #12 )
Sow with cubs is a sow with cubs. Ethical aside, not legal. I'm sure they would be fine if it is thier second year. A 12 gauge with rubber bullets will keep them off the porch.
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RE: ethical ? - Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:16 AM ( #13 )
if the cubs are that big, something smells here.  cubs are usually kicked to the curb during the spring of their second year.  momma goes back into breeding mode after the first full year spent with the cubs.  the cubs are sent packing so some big, bad boar won't kill them.  if they are as big as you say, take momma out.  those other bears will be fine.  with all the gay talk going on, maybe you have a menage a trois going on here?  any of them wearing leather?
when out bear hunting, make sure you are at least faster than the slowest person in your party!!!
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RE: ethical ? - Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:34 AM ( #14 )
 I got a 95# lab built for hunting and they are bigger than him. The cubs aren't next to the mother all the time. They kinda wander around but they are always within 40-50yds of her. If I can get the pic from my buddies parents I'll post it for everyone to see.
If we all had a spring season I would wait until then and try to take her. Thanks guys.
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