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Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:44 PM ( #1 )
Has anyone heard of a lawsuit started by the Lakosky's due to them and one more of the outdoor celebrities, being winded while wearing the scent-lok clothes. I had read this today and can't seem to find where I read it at to post it in here. The suit goes on to say that the suit is being filed by whoever wants to get their money back after being winded by animals. They claim that scent-lok knew the clothes were not doing what they claim they would do and that they should have informed customers of this prior to selling it.  If anyone has any more info, please post it here.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:52 PM ( #2 )
I found it guys:
 
BOMBSHELL - in Scent Lok Trial
 
8/28/2009 9:54 AM Posted on the Justia.com website for legal proceedings.

In the recent subpoenas and newest lawsuit in New York, activated carbon clothing manufacturer Scent Lok is accused of concealing evidence when it failed to report and make known that Scent Lok Pro Staffers Lee and Tiffany Lekosky, and Myles Keller, reportedly told Scent Lok owners that, while wearing Scent Lok clothing, they were being winded by deer.

These statements should have been made known to both the courts and the public, so that prospective buyers of Scent Lok clothing (which the manufacturers have claimed "works on 100% of your scent 100% of the time" and will leave the wearer "completely scent free") could make an informed decision before they purchased Scent Lok Clothing.

Anyone who believes that Scent Lok misrepresented their product, and would like to get their money back, should contact the layers at info@heinsmills.com.
Gary Scheel
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Monday, October 05, 2009 8:11 AM ( #3 )
good post there Gary. I would definitly sign up if I wore that junk. But seeing that I'm a tried and tested believer in Scent Blocker/ Shield I have no worries.(for now I hope)
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Monday, October 05, 2009 7:41 PM ( #4 )
I've always questioned how they can claim how good scent-lok works. I do have use their Savannah EXTs for the warm weather but I've always been skeptical of the quality of scent control. Very good info, thanks Gary. 
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Monday, October 05, 2009 8:29 PM ( #5 )
I use both the S3 Scent-Blocker and the Scent-lok products and I for one can say that after several days in the woods in warmer temps and no shower avail. the clothes "DO" hold in the wondeful aroma.  LOL  The bigest thing here is you still have to practice good woodmanship, watch your wind directions and hunt smart regardless of what type of scent elimination products you use or wear.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:04 AM ( #6 )
There is no way other being totally encapsulated in a bag to prevent some human scent from being released, you have to exhale and your breath carries scent, if warm, you sweat and any exposed skin will emit scent. All you can do is use scent free soaps, keep yourself as clean as possible and keep your clothes as clean as possible, line dry hunting clothes so as not to pick up dryer scents and spray down occassionaly while hunting. The possibility of being detected is still high, but fortunately most deer are somewhat used to some human scent in their daily lives and will only react if it is heavy, I think movement is the biggest factor in being busted. Just my humble opinion.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:06 PM ( #7 )
Agreed Steve, I have had deer within 5ft of me and not smell me and had deer a half mile away run the other direction. I have witnessed ordinary guys with no posibility of being scent free, kill deer and guys that take every precaution to be scent free come up empty. All deer, somewhat, except some part of human scent, just not real strong and real fresh. Hell my dad eats the pepermint swirl hard candy and kills deer.  LOL JMO
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:55 PM ( #8 )
Figures...they got a NY judge!!!  What??  Ratings bad???  Like it was said...woodsmanship...suits help, but the wind don't!!
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:05 PM ( #9 )
I don't know fellas. I wear a scent-lok coat, bibs and hat. I also use scent killer soap. I haven't had a deer wind me in long time. We all know that you have to put the wind in your favor as much as possible though.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Monday, October 12, 2009 3:03 PM ( #10 )
I do think the Scentlok stuff works way better than regular cotton camo. But I don't think it works near as good as they advertise. I personally think it doesn't matter what you do, other than use a seven foot ziploc bag, like mentioned by Steve. If a deer stands downwind from you for long enough, you are going to get busted. Even on dead calm days, I try to predict the thermal changes just to be sure.  
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Monday, October 12, 2009 7:11 PM ( #11 )
I agree with Steve Albers, there's no way to be completely scent free, just scent light, I guess you could say.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:52 AM ( #12 )
According the the Federal District Court Judge, what got Scent Loc in trouble was their claims that their products used "odor eliminating technology" and/or "odor eliminating clothing" which the court ruled were FALSE. An injunction was also issued against Scent Loc, Cabela's, and Gander Mt. from "further deceptive practices" in regards to odor eliminating clothing.

The judge also ruled that advertisments that use the terms/phrases:

"Odor eliminating technology"
 
"Odor eliminating clothing"
 
"Eliminates  all types of odors"
 
"Odor elimination"
 
"Remove all odor"
 
"Complete scent elimination"
 
"Scent free"
 
"Works on 100% of your scent 100% of the time"
 
"All human scent"
 
"Odor is eradicated"
 
"And graphics demonstrating that human odor cannot escape the carbon embedded fabric, ARE ALL FALSE STATEMENTS AS A MATTER OF LAW".
 
I sue the stuff and think that is does give me an advantage, "AS LONG AS YOU PRACTICE ALL THE OTHER SCENT ELIMINATING PROCEDURES". No one will ver be completely scent free. Hunt the wind, bath regularly and keep your clother free from alien odors and you will be fine. Deer will put up with a certain amount of human odor, but it's th very strong and very recent that alerts them. JMO.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:01 AM ( #13 )
I am guilty one one or more of the follwing myself when in a rush to get in the stand.
 
 
Most hunters will make at least one of the following mistakes concerning a scent-control regiment:

1.Using leather or Cordura boots instead of knee-high rubber or neoprene boots. When is the last time you saw a pair of leather or Cordura waders? Never, because they breath and let air and water (moisture) in and out. Every fox or coyote trapper also uses rubber boots and elbow length rubber gloves to keep from leaving odor at sets.

2.They tuck their pant legs into their boots allowing air and odor to escape every time they take a step. When you properly drape the pant legs over your boots there will be 10-inches or so of carbon-lined pant legs to suck in (adsorb) that air and odor.

3.They wear their rubber boots while getting gas, walking on oily driveways, working on the farm, or other non-hunting related places. It doesn’t always have to be a human odor that spooks deer; mature bucks are often spooked by any odor that is foreign to where they survive.

4.They don’t wear carbon gloves. Just consider the odor left on everything you touch while walking in, climbing, or on stand.

5.They never wear a head cover with an attached facemask that covers their mouth and nose. When properly dressed the only portion of your body that is not covered with a carbon layer should be your forehead, eyes, and ears. You breath from your mouth or nose and those areas should be masked. Hunters tend to replicate what they see hunting personalities on TV and in videos do and most of them do not dress properly, but where they hunt it is not as necessary to be scent free.

6.They wash their carbon suits instead of properly reactivating them in a clothes dryer. This is partially the fault of the suit manufacturers because while they do mention to use a dryer for reactivation and occasionally wash a suit to get rid of physical dirt, they do not emphasize the fact that over-washing will over time cause a loss of carbon.

7.They do not properly store their suits in an odor-control container such as an air-tight bag or a Scentote.

8.They improperly wear their suits in restaurants, in the vehicle, getting gas, etc. I have witnessed this on many occasions in my travels.

9.This one is pretty much universal. They never wash their fanny or backpacks that hang in the tree with them, yet they get into them several times during a hunt and after each hunt to reload them with their bare hands. Packs quickly turn into large human scent wicks unless frequently washed in odorless detergent.

10.They hunt too low or exposed, get seen and of course blame it on their suit because god forbid they did something wrong. Every hunter does things wrong, and that is where learning comes into play. When a hunter (me included) becomes to smart to learn, he becomes ignorant and stagnant.

A scent-control regiment requires a specific type of individual and not all hunters are cut out for that type of work ethic and dedication. If as a hunter you are not willing to go through the entire laundry list of required criteria to keep your human odor as minimal as possible, don’t take getting winded out on carbon technology, take it out on yourself.
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RE: Scent-Lok Lawsuit - Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:17 PM ( #14 )
  Great post, Gary.  Gotta stop trying to take short cuts (I'm guilty), sometimes we get away with it...most times not.
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