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Montana Wolves - Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:33 PM ( #1 )
This is the letter the Governor of Montana just sent the Feds!  It's too bad the rest of the states don't tell the Feds to kiss off like he just did!   Do you think they will arrest him for doing for his citizens what should have been done a long time ago?                                                     
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




HELENA, Mont. -- Governor Brian Schweitzer today sent a letter to Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar notifying Interior of new directives regarding wolf management in Montana. Text of the letter below (and attached):  
February 16, 2011  
The Honorable Ken Salazar Secretary U.S. Department of the Interior 1849 C Street NW Washington, D.C. 20240  
Dear Secretary Salazar:  
I write to you today regarding wolf management in Montana.  
While almost everyone acknowledges that the Northern Rocky Mountain gray wolf population is fully recovered, as the Governor of Montana I am profoundly frustrated by the lack of any actual results that recognize Montana’s rights and responsibilities to manage its wildlife. Montana has for years done everything that has been asked: adopting a model wolf management plan; enacting enabling legislation; and adopting the necessary implementing rules. Our exemplary efforts have been ignored. I cannot continue to ignore the crying need for workable wolf management while Montana waits, and waits, and waits. Therefore, I am now going to take additional necessary steps to protect the interests of Montana’s livestock producers and hunters to the extent that I can within my authorities as governor.  
First, for Montana’s northwest endangered wolves (north of Interstate 90), any livestock producers who kill or harass a wolf attacking their livestock will not be prosecuted by Montana game wardens. Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife, and Parks (FWP) wardens will be directed to exercise their prosecutorial discretion by not investigating or citing anyone protecting their livestock.  
Further, I am directing FWP to respond to any livestock depredation by removing whole packs that kill livestock, wherever this may occur.  
Still further, to protect the elk herds in Montana’s Bitterroot Valley that have been most adversely affected by wolf predation, I am directing FWP, to the extent allowed by the Endangered Species Act, to cull these wolves by whole-pack removal to enable elk herds to recover.  
At this point, I can do nothing less and still maintain my commitment as Governor to uphold the rights of our citizens to protect their property and to continue to enjoy Montana’s cherished wildlife heritage and traditions.  
Sincerely,  
Brian Schweitzer


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Re:Montana Wolves - Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:55 AM ( #2 )
Dang I think this guy needs to run for President.
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Re:Montana Wolves - Thursday, February 17, 2011 12:34 PM ( #3 )
The problem is that he is violating the law if he tells his employees to go in and kill wolves that are in the Bitterroot Valley and are decimating the elk population there.  They can take those steps where there is predation on domestic animals, but not wildlife.  I would imagine that the Feds will counter with a lawsuit just like they have against Arizona when that state decided to take the illegal alien situation on because the Feds don't do anything about it.  It's obviously an issue of states rights and it's about time that this Socialist Federal Government we have created and tolerated is stomped on.
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Re:Montana Wolves - Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:14 PM ( #4 )
Feds would have been better off to let us have a season. As it is now every wolf caught on private property and leased is going to be harrassing livestock. {At least that's thier story and they will stick to it.} And they all will be shot. At least shot at. That is pretty much what I was hearing today. Don't even have to buy a tag. Probably won't be able to keep it though.
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Re:Montana Wolves - Friday, February 18, 2011 8:24 AM ( #5 )
I have to agree with ya on this one Top, the feds need to deal with the business of the federal government and stay out of states business. They seem to want to run the entire country, why do we elect governors, senators and reps. to take care of state issues? Our senators and reps. should be riding herd on the feds in DC to make sure that their states are being treated fairly and their peoples needs are being met. Not much of that going on from what I see though. I don't think they should just rampantly kill the wolves, but the right to protect people, livestock and property needs to be protected. Second ammendment issues and the constitution are the concern of the fed and they need to stick to those, and guarantee that all are being protected under them across the board.
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Re:Montana Wolves - Friday, February 18, 2011 8:26 AM ( #6 )
Amen Bro!!!
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Re:Montana Wolves - Saturday, February 19, 2011 1:07 AM ( #7 )
WOW!

That guy would have my vote if I lived in Montana!

Hallelujah!! 

Every once and awhile we are all blessed to hear a voice of reason screaming out over the mind-numbing drivel of a world filled with insane blather.

Refreshing!!

It's about time someone did something about the out of control wolf population.  And, this example lends all the credence in the world to why legalized and regulated hunting seasons are 100% NECESSARY to keep wild game populations in check!

Take care and Good Hunting!

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Re:Montana Wolves - Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:20 AM ( #8 )
Steve---Before you give the Governor too many pats on the back, please realize he is telling his employees and others that they can violate Federal Law!!!  He might be able to tell his G&F employees not to follow up on people shooting wolves and make the Feds handle it, but if any of his people get caught by the Feds killing wolves because they are hurting the elk population, there will be be some people paying some large fines and very possibly doing jail time!  The only thing he can do is make it easier for the public to practice the SSS system and at least not have the state of Montana investigating them.  It looks to me more like political posturing on his part, which can't hurt his cause a bit, but can get others into deep dodo!  The thing that needs to be done is for the Feds to delist wolves in the entire USA with the huge numbers of them around now or for that SB196 bill to be passed that would transfer wolf control to all the individual affected states.  That's why Wyoming has been castigated as stalling everything because they told the Feds they want complete control and wolves should not be allowed outside the agreed upon boundaries when this whole debacle of introducing wolves started back in the 90s.  Now the wolf huggers want wolves in every friggin state, LOL!  I still think they should turn one small pack loose in Central Park and watch to see how quickly their tune will change, LOL!  It's strictly a states right issue just like Arizona wanting to control illegals along their border and the Feds telling them they can't do it.  Both are travesties, along with this health care BS that is being forced on us,  and all are a symptom of a Socialist Federal  Government that is out of control!!!  End of another rant!!!   PS:  Now that Brett has retired, I think we should put him in charge of getting this **** straightened out!!!
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Re:Montana Wolves - Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:13 PM ( #9 )
Got an emil from my friend up in Idaho saying that their gov has done the same thing the gov from Mt did with a letter to the sec of the interior.  Should be an interesting next couple of months to see how this plays out.
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Re:Montana Wolves - Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:53 AM ( #10 )
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Sometimes doing anything is a lot better than doing nothing at all.

Much of the world these days is filled with two types of individuals:

First, the apathetic individual who could not care less what is happening to the world and just sits idly by while it crashes to the ground -- self-serving politicians account for a lot of these clowns.

Second, is the extremist individual who takes things to extreme levels to force change upon us no matter what the consequences.  Hence, the wolf hugger boneheads who forced the reintroduction and then the constant protection of these creatures on us without concern for their impact on the environment as a whole.

And, then there is a distinctly smaller faction of people who will stand up for what is right in a non-militant approach.

Every once and awhile you'll find a person who merely says, "Hey, something has to give here, and we have to do something about this problem (wolves) before things continue to get even more out of hand (livestock and elk depredation) than they already are."  I feel that sentiment is what the Governor is saying to the State of Montana, the Feds and to anyone else who will listen.

It takes a lot of moxie to stand up and say what he said.  I give him a lot of credit for what he did instead of merely passing the buck on to someone else or some other helpless organization like a lot of elected officials do on a daily basis in this country.  Sometimes the rules have to be bent a little to incite change for the greater good of the situation.

Maybe he figures that someone will listen and understand that there needs to be legalized and regulated hunting seasons in every state that harbors wolves, including Montana, and what better way to do that than to stir up a little publicity and/or controversy to get people to actually pay attention to the situation.

I understand it borders a tad on "extreme measures", but in this case, I don't blame him one bit and it is not so extreme that he is calling for the tanned hide of every wolf that ever walked the wilds of North America.  Protecting livestock and seeing to it that the elk populations out west are not decimated to the point of extinction is a no-brainer. 

Why it comes to the point of the Governor feeling that there is no alternative but to take a seemingly drastic and subjective declaration of allowing the killing of wolves outside the lines of federal law or in lieu of a regulated hunting season is the truly crazy part.  It should NEVER come to that point in the first place.  I know, you know, as well as I do, that wild animals are nothing more than a renewable resource, a crop that needs to be harvested and kept in check.  Tree/wolf/anti-fur-huggers do not, and more than likely never will, but we must not give up on educating these mindless dolts and strive to do the right thing for the good of the bigger picture; the elk, the deer, the environment as a whole and the wolves themselves.    

Favre will be busy riding his tractor and sitting in his favorite deer blind before too long!     I have a feeling he is going to enjoy retirement and staying far, far away from the spotlight for a while, and I cannot blame him. 

Take care and Good Hunting!

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Re:Montana Wolves - Sunday, February 20, 2011 6:33 AM ( #11 )
They may be also looking at the long range picture in how much revenue will be lost in the num's of Non's coming out to hunt due to no animals TO hunt.  JMO
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Re:Montana Wolves - Sunday, February 20, 2011 2:45 PM ( #12 )
He has to do something. After raising the non res. tags over $900 he's gotta make sure there are elk here to hunt.
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Re:Montana Wolves - Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:44 PM ( #13 )
Wow Steve I couldn't agree more. "Tree/wolf/anti-fur-huggers are nothing more than a renewable resource, a crop that needs to be harvested and kept in check". Or did I mis-interpret what you said. LOL
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Re:Montana Wolves - Monday, February 21, 2011 3:39 AM ( #14 )
Stevealb:

Good one!

Too bad the bounty hunters of yesteryear didn't make those tree/wolf/anti-fur-huggers irreparably extinct years ago...

Ooops...  Did I type that out loud?  LOL!

Take care and Good Hunting!

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Re:Montana Wolves - Monday, February 21, 2011 8:38 AM ( #15 )
I think we've all considered that before !!!  Now I think we need to get Brett to discontinue being a spokesman for Remington, LOL!!!
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Re:Montana Wolves - Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:10 AM ( #16 )
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Brett is probably not aware of the problem with 700s.  More than likely Remington has kept him in the dark about the situation as well.

Take care and Good Hunting!

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Re:Montana Wolves - Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:02 AM ( #17 )
You're probably right and with the money he's made over the years he probably uses top of the line Sakos, etc, anyway, LOL!!!
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